T.D. Jakes Speaks Out on Eddie Long and Says…..NOTHING!
We have no other authority but to pray,” said the prominent
"That Mo'Kelly is getting on my last damn nerve. But I have no authority. It's up to his board and membership."
megachurch pastor before he took the stage at McDonald’s Gospelfest event Saturday in Newark, N.J.
“The New Birth church is a church unto itself who has a board and it has a membership. How they choose to handle their leadership issues it’s not something that we can control regardless of which side you stay on that issue. It is their church issue and their responsibility and their response,” said Bishop Jakes.
“And I’m saying what I always said that we should just keep on praying for the New Birth church family.” Source: Christian Post“
There is not really anything Mo’Kelly can say here. If you don’t see how Jakes is protecting and covering for Bishop Eddie Long, that’s a you problem.
This is not a “leadership” issue, it’s a Body of Christ issue. It is an iniquity issue which is not bound by any denomination or church constitutional bylaws. Maybe T.D. Jakes forgot that he is the head and not the tail. Maybe someone needs to sit him down and explain to him spiritual authority.
9 responses to “T.D. Jakes Speaks Out on Eddie Long and Says…..NOTHING!”
Lynn
He won’t say anything. Look at his own son for the reasons.
LST
Yes it’s true that he wont say anything.
nathan
Hello Mo’
I think that it is time that the truth came out. There were 5 young men involved. The remark by Eddie Long concerning him having five rocks had nothing to do with David v Goliath symbolism. It was coded language- used in an attempt to convince these 5 young men to drop any action. Let me explain: A “Rock” is a slang term used to mean ” One Million Dollars”.
It is a term that these young men were aware of from their teachings and interaction with Long. Long was not giving a sermon, but sending a message that ” Five Million Dollars” was available to hush this pending case. This only worked for one young man- who accepted the one million dollars for silence. This is what ultimately lead Long’s wife to part. This also played a decision in the timed departure of Bernice King- although this was not the only reason. Five Rocks= Five Million Dollars. Long just used the Bible Analogy of David/Goliath to cloak his bribery… just as he had used his anti homosexuality stance to cloak his real affinity. Let’s face it, the zoophilic nature of Shepherds to Sheep is one known in history- profane history. To place the profane at the alter of the God you believe in suggest that you really don’t believe, or your God is Dagonic/profane, or that you are wicked.
Samantha
@Nathan, was it ever documented that there were initially five young mens? BJ Berstein mentioned they had 30 -40 men that had to go through the vetting process. There were also rumors that there were men who wanted to help the young men, but didn’t want to be identified because they now had families. That like taking a shower…you can’t get the water without getting wet.
It was no surprise what Jakes’ response was going to be. I wonder why????? You think Jakes is aware that New Birth members have no say? Were members even aware how the Article of Incorporation of the church reads? Were the members ever aware of the change in the Article of Incorporation? I wonder where Eddie Long got this idea.
Ten years later, the church restated its articles of incorporation, depriving its members of a vote and omitted all mention of Jesus Christ and the Bible. Long was named CEO.
Article 9 of the restated articles states:
“The purposes for which the corporation is organized are to receive and maintain real or personal property, or both” and “to use and apply the whole or part of income for charitable, religious, scientific, literary or educational purposes” related to the corporation’s nonprofit status.
Article 6 reads:
“The Corporation hereby elects to have no members.
“Any action which would require a vote of members shall require only a vote of members of the Board of Directors, and no meeting or vote of members shall be required for this Corporation, any provision of the Articles of Incorporation of this Corporation or the Bylaws to the contrary withstanding.
“All rights which otherwise would vest in the members shall vest in the Directors.”
Nathan’s comments were removed. This is not a site for his promotion purposes (spam) or fake comedy routines.
Jack
@Mr. Kelly
Bishop Jakes is right. How is he covering for him? What the hell do you want him to say? He has no control over that issue. So he is supposed to throw his friend under the bus to satisfy all you self-righteous judegemental folk? How do you know he hasn’t talked to him privately? He may have urged him to step down, we don’t know. Damn, are you bloggers supposed to know every damn detail? You run with half truths rumors and nothing concrete. No he is right this is a New Birth issue. Bishop Jakes has no authority at New Birth. None. New Birth has a Board of Directors and Church Elders who have the authority to remove Bishop Long. If they want to remove him, they can remove him. New Birth was there long before Eddie Long arrived. He does not own the church. He has been its shepard but he does not own it. He is right this is something that the New Birth Family has to deal with.
Given the way this thing has been handled at some point, they have to deal with this. They have to. He settled. I wanted to see him fight but he settled. A great church with a great legacy has been torn apart. People are laughing like this is some joke. Pain on both sides. Trust broken into pieces and people laugh. That church has changed lives and restored families and now its a punch line and blog material. I find the whole thing sad……
If you review Jakes’ history, he has consistently taken advocacy stances. He doesn’t need to condemn or call for the ouster of Long. He could condemn sexually inappropriate behavior by clergy leadership. He could offer words of support and encouragement specifically for the victims.
He could address the hurt and tear in the Body of Christ this has created beyond just the specific members of New Birth. All of those things have nothing to do with the New Birth Board of Directors.
And just in case you didn’t know, spiritual authority supersedes any church constitutional bylaws.
There’s plenty he could have done. He instead chose to paralyze through his influence. Faith without works is dead. We are required to do more than just pray. The Bible is rife with examples, too many to list here.
zack back
Looks like the commenter Nathan was a real prophet, as he stated in his June 25th comment, not only were five men involved, but this gentleman gave the most sane interpretation of what was meant by Eddie Longs statement about him having 5 “rocks”. In light of the recent revelation that 5 men were actually involved, Nathan was right about a bribe being offered. I hope he reads this- as he has helped a lot of members see the truth. Even commenter Samatha was a disbeliever then. I wonder if she believes Nathan now.
9 responses to “T.D. Jakes Speaks Out on Eddie Long and Says…..NOTHING!”
He won’t say anything. Look at his own son for the reasons.
Yes it’s true that he wont say anything.
Hello Mo’
I think that it is time that the truth came out. There were 5 young men involved. The remark by Eddie Long concerning him having five rocks had nothing to do with David v Goliath symbolism. It was coded language- used in an attempt to convince these 5 young men to drop any action. Let me explain: A “Rock” is a slang term used to mean ” One Million Dollars”.
It is a term that these young men were aware of from their teachings and interaction with Long. Long was not giving a sermon, but sending a message that ” Five Million Dollars” was available to hush this pending case. This only worked for one young man- who accepted the one million dollars for silence. This is what ultimately lead Long’s wife to part. This also played a decision in the timed departure of Bernice King- although this was not the only reason. Five Rocks= Five Million Dollars. Long just used the Bible Analogy of David/Goliath to cloak his bribery… just as he had used his anti homosexuality stance to cloak his real affinity. Let’s face it, the zoophilic nature of Shepherds to Sheep is one known in history- profane history. To place the profane at the alter of the God you believe in suggest that you really don’t believe, or your God is Dagonic/profane, or that you are wicked.
@Nathan, was it ever documented that there were initially five young mens? BJ Berstein mentioned they had 30 -40 men that had to go through the vetting process. There were also rumors that there were men who wanted to help the young men, but didn’t want to be identified because they now had families. That like taking a shower…you can’t get the water without getting wet.
It was no surprise what Jakes’ response was going to be. I wonder why????? You think Jakes is aware that New Birth members have no say? Were members even aware how the Article of Incorporation of the church reads? Were the members ever aware of the change in the Article of Incorporation? I wonder where Eddie Long got this idea.
http://confrontnation.com/05/29/no-say-for-new-birth-members-eddie-long-will-never-be-gone/
Long because the church’s pastor in 1987.
Ten years later, the church restated its articles of incorporation, depriving its members of a vote and omitted all mention of Jesus Christ and the Bible. Long was named CEO.
Article 9 of the restated articles states:
“The purposes for which the corporation is organized are to receive and maintain real or personal property, or both” and “to use and apply the whole or part of income for charitable, religious, scientific, literary or educational purposes” related to the corporation’s nonprofit status.
Article 6 reads:
“The Corporation hereby elects to have no members.
“Any action which would require a vote of members shall require only a vote of members of the Board of Directors, and no meeting or vote of members shall be required for this Corporation, any provision of the Articles of Incorporation of this Corporation or the Bylaws to the contrary withstanding.
“All rights which otherwise would vest in the members shall vest in the Directors.”
http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general768.html
It will be interesting to see if anyone at New Birth has the guts to take to a court of law.
Nathan’s comments were removed. This is not a site for his promotion purposes (spam) or fake comedy routines.
@Mr. Kelly
Bishop Jakes is right. How is he covering for him? What the hell do you want him to say? He has no control over that issue. So he is supposed to throw his friend under the bus to satisfy all you self-righteous judegemental folk? How do you know he hasn’t talked to him privately? He may have urged him to step down, we don’t know. Damn, are you bloggers supposed to know every damn detail? You run with half truths rumors and nothing concrete. No he is right this is a New Birth issue. Bishop Jakes has no authority at New Birth. None. New Birth has a Board of Directors and Church Elders who have the authority to remove Bishop Long. If they want to remove him, they can remove him. New Birth was there long before Eddie Long arrived. He does not own the church. He has been its shepard but he does not own it. He is right this is something that the New Birth Family has to deal with.
Given the way this thing has been handled at some point, they have to deal with this. They have to. He settled. I wanted to see him fight but he settled. A great church with a great legacy has been torn apart. People are laughing like this is some joke. Pain on both sides. Trust broken into pieces and people laugh. That church has changed lives and restored families and now its a punch line and blog material. I find the whole thing sad……
This link will answer your question clearly and completely.
https://mrmokelly.com/2010/10/the-hypocrisy-of-t-d-jakes-regarding-eddie-long/
More succintly Jack,
If you review Jakes’ history, he has consistently taken advocacy stances. He doesn’t need to condemn or call for the ouster of Long. He could condemn sexually inappropriate behavior by clergy leadership. He could offer words of support and encouragement specifically for the victims.
He could address the hurt and tear in the Body of Christ this has created beyond just the specific members of New Birth. All of those things have nothing to do with the New Birth Board of Directors.
And just in case you didn’t know, spiritual authority supersedes any church constitutional bylaws.
There’s plenty he could have done. He instead chose to paralyze through his influence. Faith without works is dead. We are required to do more than just pray. The Bible is rife with examples, too many to list here.
Looks like the commenter Nathan was a real prophet, as he stated in his June 25th comment, not only were five men involved, but this gentleman gave the most sane interpretation of what was meant by Eddie Longs statement about him having 5 “rocks”. In light of the recent revelation that 5 men were actually involved, Nathan was right about a bribe being offered. I hope he reads this- as he has helped a lot of members see the truth. Even commenter Samatha was a disbeliever then. I wonder if she believes Nathan now.